Go back and read the DeCSS decisions which stated flat out that knowingly linking to material in violation of the DMCA for the purpose of disseminating it was itself a violation of the DMCA. It’s a little bit different here because it’s a copyright violation and not an anticircumvention violation, but the logic will probably stand. You’ll have to get Congress or the Supreme Court to change its mind if you’re looking for a different outcome.
Search engines are served with DMCA notices to remove search results which link to copyrighted material every day.
I wouldn’t assume anything as far as legality these days - the ongoing assault and disregard of the constitution / bill of rights moves on with more and more police state legislation being passed which favors those who pay off the influence peddlers. We’re even going to lose our right to free speech - Newt is all over the press calling for it and the “hate laws” about to be passed will end any voice which dissents.
Fox doesn’t have the authority to make you sell anything, a court does. So you should tell Fox to go fuck themselves pretty much and continue doing whatever the hell you please.
it’s one of those things you have to weigh out, for sure. I think even if there’s a case (which I don’t think there is) the fact is the person is linking to copyrighted material, and since someone else owns the material and it’s being pirated, ethically it’s wrong, at least. I don’t think we’re in a deeplinking/link policy debate here, since that was all sort of settled in the late 90’s, so for me, no big deal.
It is not fair FOX is taken such unfair action upon Quicksilverscreen. If FOX is going to do this, they should sued the first person who allow the show to appear on the internet. The resource where he got it from is even there all along. I feel bad for Steve, the owner of Quicksilverscreen, as I believe he must have put a lot of work and risk on this work. Watching such tv shows on Quicksilverscreen is just like watching it on tv. It isn’t selling or making any profit off of it, so why should it shut down? This is just isn’t fair.
That is just redicioulous, it’s horrible PR for fox. I hate to see what they would to do sites http://www.freetube.us.tc that actually broadcast the Fox station itself. But seriously, they should let these sites remain as they are - it helps promote their shows and I wouldn’t have known about some of their shows (like the really obscure ones) if I hadn’t first seen them on the internet. I have Fox/NBC etc but I only really started watch some of the programs after watching it online for the first time, and then now I watch a lot of their shows.
So it actually helps them. They’re such greedy bastards.
linking does not itself involve a violation of the Copyright Act….since no copying is involved.” The basis for this conclusion can be seen from the statutory language of the Copyright Act, Title 17 section 106 of the United States Code… http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/106.html
So I am in agreement with pete, and not fair. I think they are bullying Steve because it is alot more simple to take out the little guy than to persue the actual offenders.
A friend recently asked me where he might find a bag, I myself do not use drugs but told him of a place that might have some… I didnt realize that was illegal.Does this mean that I could go to jail for referring someone to a source?
As a site owner of a simlar site I have a vested interest in this. I think theres an easily solution to this. Ban people from making this content available.
Here’s an interesting problem for them…am I breaking the law by showing you how to use google to search for family guy avis on google? I’d love to see them try.
-inurl:htm -inurl:html intitle:”index of” “Last modified” avi “family guy”
Truth is, you stop one and 10 others pop up. Stopping QSS means nothing but a poor guy losing 8 years of work, but in essence, those 8 years changed how shows/videos have gotten to the masses.
To Steve, should he ever read this, I want to thank you. And FOX owes you thanks, as I was hooked on many shows I watched first on ur website. I am truly considering boycotting FOX for this outrageous behavior. Your site was a pleasure.
My question for the large tv/sales/marketing conglomerates is have they justly weighed the outcome of their actions? That the site can just as easily exist in another country (as it does so you can go “frack” urself FOX…haha jokes on you), is it worth the harassment and bad PR to prey upon the little guy?! I don’t think so…
I have a comment to Google (via YouTube) too though. I certainly hope you don’t fall susceptible to these allegations; fight them to the end. How I would respect Google and NEVER use another search engine if they make FOX et al. look like jackasses for this!!!
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December 7th, 2006 at 5:06 pm
Go back and read the DeCSS decisions which stated flat out that knowingly linking to material in violation of the DMCA for the purpose of disseminating it was itself a violation of the DMCA. It’s a little bit different here because it’s a copyright violation and not an anticircumvention violation, but the logic will probably stand. You’ll have to get Congress or the Supreme Court to change its mind if you’re looking for a different outcome.
December 7th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
If this happens then (your favorite search engine) is/will get sued aswell.
December 7th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
Search engines are served with DMCA notices to remove search results which link to copyrighted material every day.
I wouldn’t assume anything as far as legality these days - the ongoing assault and disregard of the constitution / bill of rights moves on with more and more police state legislation being passed which favors those who pay off the influence peddlers. We’re even going to lose our right to free speech - Newt is all over the press calling for it and the “hate laws” about to be passed will end any voice which dissents.
December 7th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
On this topic, if you are in the US, is it even legal to watch TV shows which come from sites like these?
December 7th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
Fox doesn’t have the authority to make you sell anything, a court does. So you should tell Fox to go fuck themselves pretty much and continue doing whatever the hell you please.
December 7th, 2006 at 6:55 pm
it’s one of those things you have to weigh out, for sure. I think even if there’s a case (which I don’t think there is) the fact is the person is linking to copyrighted material, and since someone else owns the material and it’s being pirated, ethically it’s wrong, at least. I don’t think we’re in a deeplinking/link policy debate here, since that was all sort of settled in the late 90’s, so for me, no big deal.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
It is not fair FOX is taken such unfair action upon Quicksilverscreen. If FOX is going to do this, they should sued the first person who allow the show to appear on the internet. The resource where he got it from is even there all along. I feel bad for Steve, the owner of Quicksilverscreen, as I believe he must have put a lot of work and risk on this work. Watching such tv shows on Quicksilverscreen is just like watching it on tv. It isn’t selling or making any profit off of it, so why should it shut down? This is just isn’t fair.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:00 pm
That is just redicioulous, it’s horrible PR for fox. I hate to see what they would to do sites http://www.freetube.us.tc that actually broadcast the Fox station itself. But seriously, they should let these sites remain as they are - it helps promote their shows and I wouldn’t have known about some of their shows (like the really obscure ones) if I hadn’t first seen them on the internet. I have Fox/NBC etc but I only really started watch some of the programs after watching it online for the first time, and then now I watch a lot of their shows.
So it actually helps them. They’re such greedy bastards.
December 8th, 2006 at 12:12 am
Well then Google and any other search engine that referenced the said videos would also be held liable if such a law prohibited it.
Let’s see if FOX has the balls to go after the big dogs.
December 8th, 2006 at 12:58 am
This is a form of contributor infringement check out Wikipedia’s take on this as it relates to content on thier site -
December 8th, 2006 at 11:13 am
linking does not itself involve a violation of the Copyright Act….since no copying is involved.” The basis for this conclusion can be seen from the statutory language of the Copyright Act, Title 17 section 106 of the United States Code… http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/106.html
So I am in agreement with pete, and not fair. I think they are bullying Steve because it is alot more simple to take out the little guy than to persue the actual offenders.
A friend recently asked me where he might find a bag, I myself do not use drugs but told him of a place that might have some… I didnt realize that was illegal.Does this mean that I could go to jail for referring someone to a source?
December 8th, 2006 at 11:18 pm
one thing is sure is that even if quicksilverscreen is dowm there will be other sites not based USA copyright laws…fox are jews…wise words
December 9th, 2006 at 1:21 am
The solution is simple. Partner up with a random user overseas where the laws are a little more lax and WALLAH!
December 9th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
As a site owner of a simlar site I have a vested interest in this. I think theres an easily solution to this. Ban people from making this content available.
Here’s an interesting problem for them…am I breaking the law by showing you how to use google to search for family guy avis on google? I’d love to see them try.
-inurl:htm -inurl:html intitle:”index of” “Last modified” avi “family guy”
December 9th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
Truth is, you stop one and 10 others pop up. Stopping QSS means nothing but a poor guy losing 8 years of work, but in essence, those 8 years changed how shows/videos have gotten to the masses.
December 11th, 2006 at 5:27 am
To Steve, should he ever read this, I want to thank you. And FOX owes you thanks, as I was hooked on many shows I watched first on ur website. I am truly considering boycotting FOX for this outrageous behavior. Your site was a pleasure.
My question for the large tv/sales/marketing conglomerates is have they justly weighed the outcome of their actions? That the site can just as easily exist in another country (as it does so you can go “frack” urself FOX…haha jokes on you), is it worth the harassment and bad PR to prey upon the little guy?! I don’t think so…
I have a comment to Google (via YouTube) too though. I certainly hope you don’t fall susceptible to these allegations; fight them to the end. How I would respect Google and NEVER use another search engine if they make FOX et al. look like jackasses for this!!!