Comments on: TVLinks Owner Deserved to be Arrested http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/ The Business of Internet Television and Video Tue, 01 May 2012 11:28:51 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: TV-Links Wins Copyright Court Case Brought By FACT | OiNK Creator Cleared Last Month http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-157997 TV-Links Wins Copyright Court Case Brought By FACT | OiNK Creator Cleared Last Month Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:15:57 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-157997 [...] over two years for the case to reach court, but as TorrentFreak reports, it ended with the admins David Rock and David Overton [...] [...] over two years for the case to reach court, but as TorrentFreak reports, it ended with the admins David Rock and David Overton [...]

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By: bit http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-102808 bit Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:30:39 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-102808 Chris Tew... what a DUMBASS! are YOU somewhat stupid? this whole article is one big fictional world you created for yourself. You obviously believe yourself because this article reeks with envy, it's disgusting really, to go as far as saying someone should have been arrested because he chose to keep money he earned for a service he provided, and not donate it to some stupid charity. If we go by that logic, everyone reading this article is right now shouting "Chris Tew should burn in HELL!". Your "own expirence" bullshit you're trying to feed people about $3 per 1000 VIEWS is in no way a reliable source. not to mention that NOBODY relies on Alexa, its usage share sample is practicaly unkown. We're talking Google ads here, these are pay per click services that barley squeeze out a cent per click, even IF you're little equation was related to reality, it would have been more like $200. Chris Tew… what a DUMBASS!

are YOU somewhat stupid? this whole article is one big fictional world you created for yourself.

You obviously believe yourself because this article reeks with envy, it’s disgusting really, to go as far as saying someone should have been arrested because he chose to keep money he earned for a service he provided, and not donate it to some stupid charity.

If we go by that logic, everyone reading this article is right now shouting “Chris Tew should burn in HELL!”.

Your “own expirence” bullshit you’re trying to feed people about $3 per 1000 VIEWS is in no way a reliable source. not to mention that NOBODY relies on Alexa, its usage share sample is practicaly unkown.

We’re talking Google ads here, these are pay per click services that barley squeeze out a cent per click, even IF you’re little equation was related to reality, it would have been more like $200.

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By: Anonymoosew http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-97290 Anonymoosew Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:41:59 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-97290 $3 per 1000 page views are you fucking crazy? $3 per 1000 page views are you fucking crazy?

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By: Did the MPAA Secretly Kill Peekvid? | Video Linking Site Disappears Due To “Server Fees” http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-77297 Did the MPAA Secretly Kill Peekvid? | Video Linking Site Disappears Due To “Server Fees” Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:08:28 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-77297 [...] against it, but only because other similar sites bailed before it got to that stage by shutting or moving operations at the first sign of legal [...] [...] against it, but only because other similar sites bailed before it got to that stage by shutting or moving operations at the first sign of legal [...]

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By: IsoHunt Sues CRIA | Torrent Tracker Claims Linking To Torrents Isn’t Copyright Infringing http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-76058 IsoHunt Sues CRIA | Torrent Tracker Claims Linking To Torrents Isn’t Copyright Infringing Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:16:24 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-76058 [...] other torrent tracker and search engine merely links to content, be it copyrighted or not, and so shouldn’t actually be liable for these kinds of copyright violation [...] [...] other torrent tracker and search engine merely links to content, be it copyrighted or not, and so shouldn’t actually be liable for these kinds of copyright violation [...]

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By: Ricardo http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-64439 Ricardo Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:20:41 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-64439 I dont care if it is illegal or not to link pirate content: it should not be! Because we have to have one measure for everything, like if we are robots, we cannot have a law with different interpretations that is suitable for different situation. The law must be objective and non- flexible, like science! No rrom for doubt, no room for speculation and no room for adaptation! Google and Tv-link do the same, doesnt matter the context, no morals no ethics, rigid law, if one is illegal, the other is! and that is all... And yes in that case it should also be totally legal for someone to provide links to porn or pedophile content, whatever! It doesnt matter, one law, thats all! if its not fair... well the world is not supose to be.. :) I dont care if it is illegal or not to link pirate content: it should not be! Because we have to have one measure for everything, like if we are robots, we cannot have a law with different interpretations that is suitable for different situation. The law must be objective and non- flexible, like science! No rrom for doubt, no room for speculation and no room for adaptation! Google and Tv-link do the same, doesnt matter the context, no morals no ethics, rigid law, if one is illegal, the other is! and that is all… And yes in that case it should also be totally legal for someone to provide links to porn or pedophile content, whatever! It doesnt matter, one law, thats all! if its not fair… well the world is not supose to be.. :)

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By: rhys http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-59234 rhys Sat, 07 Jun 2008 10:22:11 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-59234 I don't think i did actually deserve to get arrested so this blog post is a bit unfair in my opinion. Despite the controversy, I have started a new TV Links website but on a new domain. the reason for this is because the old domain was taken off me by officials. if anyone is interested then please click on the link below <a href="http://www.tvlinksdb.com" rel="nofollow">tv links</a> I don’t think i did actually deserve to get arrested so this blog post is a bit unfair in my opinion.

Despite the controversy, I have started a new TV Links website but on a new domain. the reason for this is because the old domain was taken off me by officials.

if anyone is interested then please click on the link below

tv links

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By: Babysham http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-52456 Babysham Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:11:34 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-52456 You clearly have no idea of how advertising works. Ads are only worth something if they are "above the fold" that is within the 1st 400px of the page, TVL's were at the bottom (or 1 was). Also you don't seem to realise that the more ads you show the less CPM you make, this is certainly the case with CPXInteractive who TVL was using. Just because you can show high volume does not mean you make more, also it does not mean that you get to attract larger advertisers. If it did then why was TVL using a 2bit outfit such as CPXInteractive rather than Adsense? The poster above said .15CPM was the lowest but I have seen $.07CPM on a site that did 300k impressions a day! Indeed from just emailing a couple of torrent site admins I know they have confirmed that $.10 is the most they have ever seen. In the words of 1 "we're the subprime of the advertising industry, only the sharks will give us ads and when they do they feed heavily". Maybe you need to rethink your outlandish figures Chris. It's all very well saying this guy made over $100k/month (possibly) but it has no basis in truth, why not say $500k for the hell of it! The guy probably broke even is all. I guess that doesn't make such a good story though. You clearly have no idea of how advertising works. Ads are only worth something if they are “above the fold” that is within the 1st 400px of the page, TVL’s were at the bottom (or 1 was).

Also you don’t seem to realise that the more ads you show the less CPM you make, this is certainly the case with CPXInteractive who TVL was using. Just because you can show high volume does not mean you make more, also it does not mean that you get to attract larger advertisers. If it did then why was TVL using a 2bit outfit such as CPXInteractive rather than Adsense?

The poster above said .15CPM was the lowest but I have seen $.07CPM on a site that did 300k impressions a day! Indeed from just emailing a couple of torrent site admins I know they have confirmed that $.10 is the most they have ever seen. In the words of 1 “we’re the subprime of the advertising industry, only the sharks will give us ads and when they do they feed heavily”.

Maybe you need to rethink your outlandish figures Chris. It’s all very well saying this guy made over $100k/month (possibly) but it has no basis in truth, why not say $500k for the hell of it!

The guy probably broke even is all. I guess that doesn’t make such a good story though.

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By: Chris Tew http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-52330 Chris Tew Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:35:44 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-52330 Wiley - see comment: http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/?comments=1#comment-19507 Wiley – see comment:
http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/?comments=1#comment-19507

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By: Wiley http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/comment-page-1/#comment-52227 Wiley Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:08:00 +0000 http://www.webtvwire.com/tvlinks-owner-deserved-to-be-arrested/#comment-52227 I've just come across this post and although it is old I thought I would correct your sums as I am better placed than you to know how much a site such as TVL can make. Sites such as TVL, torrent sites, emule sites whatever. They all fall under the same category of "copyright grey area" content and therefore are rarely acceoted by Tier1 advertisers such as Doubleclick, Adsense, Casale, tribalfusion etc. Indeed you will often find that Tier2 advertisers do not touch sites such as TVL due to their questionable content type. That leaves Tier2 advertisers such as Mediashakers, CPXInteractive, Realnetworks etc. Advertisers that resell the Tier1 and 2 ads at a much lower price and take a hefty chunk out of the profits. When running banner ads from these advertisers you can expect to see no more than $.15CPM, TVL if I remember had 1 banner per page which is probably the worst way to make any money as they pay terribly. Still let's take your own figures and apply them to what we know now is a correct CPM figure: 27 million impressions/month \ 1000 = 27000 27000 x .15CPM = $4050 Still a decent amount but wait, a site that is 127th in the world needs some serious server power to keep it at that place. I have no knowledge of the specifics of TVL's servers but I would be suprised if they were costing less than $2500-3500/month which would leave the owner with around $500/month if he's lucky. I bet he didn't even make that. You've shown a complete lack of understanding about advertising for sites such as TVL and without any research into the reality of the situation have posted a story with a headline worthy of a red top. Good job! Wiley. I’ve just come across this post and although it is old I thought I would correct your sums as I am better placed than you to know how much a site such as TVL can make.

Sites such as TVL, torrent sites, emule sites whatever. They all fall under the same category of “copyright grey area” content and therefore are rarely acceoted by Tier1 advertisers such as Doubleclick, Adsense, Casale, tribalfusion etc. Indeed you will often find that Tier2 advertisers do not touch sites such as TVL due to their questionable content type.

That leaves Tier2 advertisers such as Mediashakers, CPXInteractive, Realnetworks etc. Advertisers that resell the Tier1 and 2 ads at a much lower price and take a hefty chunk out of the profits. When running banner ads from these advertisers you can expect to see no more than $.15CPM, TVL if I remember had 1 banner per page which is probably the worst way to make any money as they pay terribly. Still let’s take your own figures and apply them to what we know now is a correct CPM figure:

27 million impressions/month \ 1000 = 27000

27000 x .15CPM = $4050

Still a decent amount but wait, a site that is 127th in the world needs some serious server power to keep it at that place. I have no knowledge of the specifics of TVL’s servers but I would be suprised if they were costing less than $2500-3500/month which would leave the owner with around $500/month if he’s lucky. I bet he didn’t even make that.

You’ve shown a complete lack of understanding about advertising for sites such as TVL and without any research into the reality of the situation have posted a story with a headline worthy of a red top. Good job!

Wiley.

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